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Thursday, February 19. 2009

LOST: 316 [Spoiler filled analysis ahead!]

But.. What... Hey.. Uh... Eh??!... Who?... When?...

Aw, just click through already!

This time its going to get a little deep.  How could it not?

Desmond

The island's not done with you?  He didn't get on the plane, so what part does he still have in all of this?  Will he somehow come to terms with Hawking?  Here's what I think:  He's the one who eventually gets Faraday (and...?) off the island, or should I say out of the time they all end up in.  The whole 'Constant' thing still has to come into play.

The Lamppost

Apart from being a lovely allusion to C.S. Lewis' lamp post which guided our Narnian heroes back through time into the wardrobe, the first thing that came to my mind was not a lamp post, but a lantern.  Just like the one Jacob, I mean Christian, has been carting around, and keeps in his cabin window.

Bigger question is: Is Hawking formerly DHARMA or just another "Other" taking over the DHARMA's stuff once they've abandoned it, willingly or not?  What gives?

Aaron

Does anyone even care to venture a guess as to what is going on here?  Kate seemed very distraught that she would be leaving him behind, like she had no other choice.  nobody?  I will...

Ben's Old Friend

Is Charles Widmore, no doubt.  Put a few events together, and here's what I think happened.  Widmore got a hold of Kate and Aaron, Ben happens upon them in his quest for revenge, and a nasty fight ensues.  Aaron is kidnapped by Widmore, Kate flees, and Ben barely makes it out alive....  Purely theoretical, but it would fit.

Claire

So, uh.  Kate doesn't bring Aaron back to the island, just like Claire wanted.  Is this a good thing or a bad thing?  I suspect it probably isn't good.

Sayid's Chaperone

If you saw the previews, you saw that she made it on the island.  Why? What? Who is she?

The Other Guy

The middle-eastern looking dude that commented to Jack at the airport.  I'm betting he's one of Widmore's stooges.  Will he make it to the island or not?  I'm betting yes, otherwise what was the point.

Hurley's Guitar Case

Yeah, so it's likely something Charlie told him to take with him.  Dead Charlie, in one of Hurley's little conversations.  But what's actually in there?

Ben and Frank and everyone else

Anyone want to guess that Ben didn't make it to the island? That the island doesn't want him back?  And what of Frank?  And everyone else on board?

The plane obviously didn't crash like last time, at least not that we were shown.  So did our heroes just magically disappear from their seats? Or did it actually crash?  Argh.  Too many unknowns here....

Locke and Christian

Ah, but what's going to happen to Locke?  Will he "become" Jacob like Christian has done? Will he take a spot at his side?  Something else entirely?  The Christ Allusion got carried to its fullest with the Doubting Thomas speech, so I'm wondering if he'll be completely brought back to life instead?  Resurrected if you will?  Have to wait til next week to find that out.

Jin and the Bus

Ah, then we come to the biggest WTF of them all.  It would seem that the island brought the Oceanic Six back to the same time as the rest of our heroes, who found themselves trapped in the DHARMA era on the island.  It makes sense, really.  That would explain Faraday being Charlotte's father, how he got into that time frame, where we also saw him in the Orchid's construction....  But when exactly are we?  In a pre-Ben world?  Will Ben run into his former self, if indeed he has returned? 

Just how far back are we?  We can't be as far back as '54, like in the photo Hawking gave to Jack.  Dharma hadn't arrived yet, and the van was newer than that.  Wonder what Richard will have to say about all of this.  Assuming he's aware of what's going on, that is.

316

Carrying the whole Christ/Locke analogy further, the flight number also has another meaning.  -John- 3:16.  Something about he who believes in me will have everlasting life or something.  If you ever went to a single day of Sunday School in your life you know that.   It would seem that Jack finally believes, then?  After reading the "I wish you had believed me" note, they return?  Coincidence? No. Not at all.

If Jack and Locke's paths cross again, I wonder what the conversation will entail....

I'm sure I'm missing a few things.  Please bring them up if I am, it's been a busy morning and I'm rushing just to get this in!





Posted by PlanetLOST in characters, episodes, opinions, reviews, theories at 10:33 | Comments (27)
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#1 Paul Wilson on 2009-02-19 13:16 (Reply)
I'm thinking that Kate visited Claire's mom and told her that Aaron is Claire's baby. She has asked Claire's mom to take Aaron and watch over him.
#2 Seana on 2009-02-19 13:51 (Reply)
Lemme see...I bet that Desmond didn't need to be on the plane because he wasn't on the original plane, he came by boat.
The are clearly in the sixties era of the island, when the van was new. Could Jin be Mile's dad? I'm not sure that Daniel is Charlotte's father. She just said she remembered a crazy old man who told her to leave and NEVER come back.
If Charlotte were on the island as a kid, isn't it possible that she was Ben's friend when they were young (when he first came to the island and his dad was such a jerk)? or is Ben older than Charlotte? Seems like they probably knew each other in the before time.
Charlie had to be the one to tell Hurley to come back. He wouldn't have done it otherwise.
Neat analogy with the John 3:16 bit. I didn't go to Sunday school, so that is news to me.
#2.1 Yve on 2009-02-22 07:17 (Reply)
I think Desmond will end up on the island... he made it there on a boat crash last time... fate being what it is, I am sure the boat he is living on will make it there somehow!
#3 also anonymous on 2009-02-19 13:57 (Reply)
I thought of Claire's mom also. Plus, Ben said he had to finish a promise he made to an old friend, and I thought when they showed him making the phone call he might have been by the marina. I'm thinking he was trying to kill Pene. like he told Widmore he would do.
What do you think?
#4 The Chad on 2009-02-19 14:18 (Reply)
Some quick thoughts:

Ben, in his quest to kill Penny finally runs into Desmond at the church. He leaves saying something like, "need to tie up some loose ends." and likely follows Desmond to his boat. Ben and Des fight a bit, maybe Ben knocks him unconscious or into the water then kills Penny like he promised to Widmore.

Kate feels guilty and gave Aaron to Claire's mom. What a coincidence she was in LA. Maybe Claire showed up again to tell her to do it.

The island stopped moving thru time when Locke turned the wheel, its stuck in the 1970's when Dharma was thriving.
#5 Angela on 2009-02-19 14:26 (Reply)
I think that Kate is pregnant...like Claire was on the original flight...I also think that Kate has been in touch with Cassidy-Sawyers girlfriend who gave birth to his little girl Clementine-I think that was what Sawyer whispered to Kate in the 'copter-and why she did not tell Jack...Kate has been in touch with Cassidy and has left Aaron with her-and that's why she does not want Jack to ask her any questions about Aaron....also-the lady who has handcuffed Sayid-this is another Ana Lucia...interesting that the comic Hurley was reading is the same one that Walt found in the plane wreckage in season 1
#6 Angela on 2009-02-19 14:37 (Reply)
On Ben and Desmond:

Ben was reading Ulysses-another version of the Odysseus story...our hero spends many years trying to return home to his love-Penelope only to be thwarted along the way...much of his time is spent on a boat...sound familiar...lol...maybe Ben is catching up on some reading to get a glimpse into Desmond's next move.
#7 beth on 2009-02-19 14:58 (Reply)
there is so much here that I didn't know..like I didn't remember ben promising to kill penny. AND I didn't know about daniel being charlotte's father. If he knew he was her father, wouldn't it be hard to have romantic love for her, as he does now?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever, believes in him, should not perish but have everlasting life.

You might be on to something here. THe preview alludes to john resurecting.
#7.1 Yve on 2009-02-22 07:21 (Reply)
Beth: Ben approached Widmore in his office and said that he would kill 'his daughter' because he held Widmore accountable for killing 'his' daughter.
#8 Anonymous on 2009-02-19 15:46 (Reply)
John 3:16 was etched on Ecko's prayer stick that John buried with Ecko a couple of seasons ago.
#8.1 Yve on 2009-02-20 08:36 (Reply)
I thought this as well
#8.2 barrus on 2009-02-20 22:24 (Reply)
Daniel never said that he was in love with Charlotte/the romantic way, he said that he loved her and would never do anything to hurt her. It felt/sounded like a fathers love. Something to that effect. I believe that Daniel is Charlotte's father and that she was to young to remember what he looked like. That funny odd man she remembers telling her when she levels to never come back, was her father. Just my thoughts.
#9 Darin on 2009-02-19 18:16 (Reply)
I don't think John is dead. Do you remember the episode with Nikki and Paulo (or Pablo or whatever his name was) that we all thought was a waste? Well, if you remember, they were bitten by those spiders and their venom put you in a coma like state and slowed down your vitals. I'm just wondering if the spider venom has something to do with it??????? The writers have said that episode was part of the story and that it wasn't a wasted episode.

Any thoughts?
#9.1 Angela on 2009-02-19 19:43 (Reply)
wow-excellent eye there Darin! i saw the promo for the upcoming episode-and wondered if ben had a hand in locke's 'deceased' state...with your theory in mind-jack asking ben (on the plane):did you know that he committed suicide...ben's reply: no...this takes on another meaning...what if ben gave john the venom knowing that john needed to be a proxy...per eloise hawking-they needed to re create the first flight as closely as possible....but then again, as ben himself said-'i always have a plan' and it is usually for his benefit and no one else's.
#9.2 The Chad on 2009-02-21 10:45 (Reply)
I have to say John Locke most certainly is dead in the coffin. His body was in the funeral home meaning someone has embalmed him and prepared him for the burial. So even if he had taken spider poison, he would be dead after having all of his blood drained.

Not to say he won't come back somehow once he gets to the island. Maybe in a Christian Shepard way. Maybe the coffin Jack found in season 1 was NOT Christian's, but Locke's! OOOOoooooOOOHHHHhhhhHHH!
#9.2.1 Angela on 2009-02-25 11:55 (Reply)
Chad-embalming is not required by law...it is only a common practice by commercial funeral homes-and another way to make more money in a time of grief.
#10 Angela on 2009-02-19 19:55 (Reply)
We know that Widmore was on the island in the 50's-that he took a uniform from a soldier named Jones (the episode Jughead) also, that there was a female named Ellie who held Daniel at gunpoint...Ellie/Eliose? I think so. We know that Widmore financed Daniel's research at the university...were Widmore and Ellie/Eliose lovers/married? Is Daniel their son? Widmore during his meeting with Desmond seemed none too interested in seeing her (Eloise) when he gave Desmond her location.

And regarding Daniel's 'test subject' Theresa...'Theresa falls up the stairs, Theresa falls down the stairs'(Boone)...maybe the same Theresa.

Any thoughts?
#11 Rich on 2009-02-20 02:38 (Reply)
Someone needs to explain to me how Sun so easily got on that plane without a second thought as to what might happen to her daughter. I cannot see Sun leaving her daughter behind possibly forever to be raised by her parents, one of which is her manipulative father.

Also, I can accept Aaron not being needed on the plane because he wasn't born yet. But if you are trying to quasi-recreate the situation of the crash, why isn't Walt on board?

Did it seem to anyone else that Sayid in handcuffs with that woman was almost mirroring Kate with the US Marshall...
#11.1 Angela on 2009-02-20 15:19 (Reply)
We know that Sun approached Widmore; we also know that Widmore sent the freighter to the island-and the 'copter-which was how the O6 left...could be that Sun has another deal with Widmore-for extraction once she finds Jin..Sun definitely has made a turn to the 'dark side'...lol..if so, she may be thinking that this trip is for a very short period of time and that she will be back to her daughter very soon. If Sun has the brass stones to buy her father's business basically right out from under his nose-then you can bet she has safeguards in place for her daughter....as for Aaron-I am speculating that Kate has taken the pregnant Claire's place on the plane...remember Kate and Jack were together just the night before-I think that Kate is pregnant....

Sayid was most definitely the 'proxy' for the handcuffed Kate...
#12 Yve on 2009-02-20 08:35 (Reply)
Ooooh Ellie / Eloise good catch... I think Ellie and Widmore in the 50s are Daniel's parents.
#12.1 Chris (Homepage) on 2009-02-20 09:11 (Reply)
Yeah I totally didn't think of that. You're probably on to something.... So I wonder what happened between the two to put them against each other, or so it would seem.
#12.1.1 Yve on 2009-02-20 18:25 (Reply)
I think Ellie/Eloise (btw sort of a British name to match that accent she had when younger) is trying to save the island and make things right, but Widmore likely got kicked off for trying to exploit it perhaps.
#12.1.1.1 Yve on 2009-02-20 18:33 (Reply)
...and that would make sense time line-wise too... they had Daniel in the 50s/60s Daniel was there when the Orchid was there in what... the 70s, he hasn't aged, like Alpert, who passes through time the same age (like daniel seems too), he left, he's aging, Alpert never left so he doesnt age. it also explains why Daniel had in his notes in last season, about the Orchid and explanations about time travel, etc... I tend to disagree though that Daniel's daughter is Charlotte. And Jin might have brought her daughter to the island we dont know for sure yet... afterall she was technically on the island too!
#12.1.1.1.1 cbazuin on 2009-02-25 17:51 (Reply)
My question is why does Alpert not age, but Ben, who has been on the island since he was a boy has aged to a man? And, hasn't Alpert left the island at times, like didn't he visit Locke when Locke was a boy?
#12.2 Seana on 2009-02-27 11:53 (Reply)
So, that makes Daniel and Penny at least half siblings?
#13 Scott on 2009-02-22 08:12 (Reply)
Unless it was a mistake, the rifle Jin had gives us a clue as to "when" they are. It's either a Ruger Mini-14 or a Mini-30. They are both current production firearms. The Mini-14 was introduced in 1974, while the Mini-30 was brought out in 1987. Judging from the rifle and the van ( a VW Minibus, alot of "mini's"?)it's probably somewhere in the mid 70's to early 80's.
#13.1 Three-Dogs on 2009-02-23 09:58 (Reply)
It's got to be '73. Because there was a three-dog night tape in the radio.
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